Episode S4E11: Vicki’s Story of Anna: Are We Willing to Change and Grow?

Vicki Habecker tells her story about how God is working in her life in a completely unexpected way a new friend, Anna.

Listen to her story and let’s listen to God for the new ways He might be calling us to follow Him.

Transcript

Dr Hal Habecker: 0:00

Music. Welcome to the finish and well podcast where we encourage seasoned believers to find meaningful ways to impact their world for the kingdom of God, whether you're 65 and up or not quite there. Yet, our mission is to prepare and encourage every person to finish well. Our prayer is that this podcast will encourage and strengthen you to glorify Christ as we intentionally engage our aging fears. Welcome to today's finishing wealth ministry podcast where we have topics and testimonies and stories that grow out of our aging years and the things that God looks for in our aging years. My wife, Vicky, has shared many times with you, and she's here again this morning. God is at work in her life, and I've invited her to share a story that about what God is doing in her life, we'd love to hear her so Vicky, welcome to our podcast this morning again. And I, along with all our listeners, are eager to hear what God is doing in your life. You're special. Thank you. I love you. I love you too. So this is entitled lessons from Anna, lessons from God. Tell us about that. What does it mean?

Vicki Habecker: 1:29

Well, I'm not quite sure where this podcast is headed, so just hang on tight. Some of what I'm going to share is what I would call true confessions. I think there was a TV show or something like that several years ago, I'm going to be honest and reveal some dark and pretty ungodly parts of my heart, my attitude, my mind, that's happened in the last four weeks, and I really don't even know where to start. Honey. Julie Andrews, in Sound of Music, said, Let's start at the very beginning. It's a very good place to start. So here goes. I'm asking myself, as I grow older and as you listeners grow older, why are we hesitant to tackle a new project, a new ministry, something that makes us uncomfortable, or maybe even something that makes us fearful. I rely on Second Timothy one seven, that says God has not given us a spirit of fear, but a spirit of power and love and a sound mind of God didn't give us that spirit of fear. Where did it come from? Maybe Satan trying to prevent us from doing something God wants us to do. And did Timothy write that verse? How for just a certain age group, did He mean that for younger adults or us older folks? Now those younger people, they think quicker, they move faster. They think they've got better ideas. I don't know the answer for that, except that all of Scripture is designed for everybody, so I guess a spirit of fear is not from God Almighty. So here goes. Four weeks ago, I was leading a small group of 16 awesome women through the book of Ephesians. We are studying it at our church. And we were on chapter four, and we talked about being the hands and feet of Jesus. Well, I shared with these women. Now let me tell you, these women, my small group, doesn't just scrape the surface of Scripture. We question, we debate, we challenge, we cry, we laugh. Nothing superficial about these women. So we're studying being the hands and feet of Jesus. And I shared with them casually. I thought about this homeless woman that I see on a particular corner every day, and she's always just staring into space, no expression on her face. Well, I knew the weather in Dallas was supposed to get ugly for a few days, and I couldn't imagine living on the streets when it's 13 degrees. You know me, honey, I can't imagine anything at 13 degrees except for fire in the fireplace. Okay, here comes my first true confession, and I call it my critical spirit, and I used to have that toward the homeless population. When I see them begging on a corner, sleeping on the sidewalk, I usually think they're on drugs. They have a mental illness. Maybe they're just plain lazy and all in all, I rarely saw them through God's eyes. Yeah, my thinking went something like, why can't they sober up, clean up, get a job, throw away all the mess you leave behind in your tent cities or on the streets. I used to be very critical. There's that attitude about the homeless when I actually knew nothing about their lives. You know, critical spirit usually focuses on fault finding, but actually it's arrogance. I think it's being judgmental. And what does scripture say about being judgmental? Don't do it. And you know what? Hell, it's easy for me to justify sometimes my criticism as we age, we've experienced life longer than younger folks, which means we've seen more experienced more our opinions are deep seated, and I think we've gotten hardened about certain things as well. So with all of my life lessons, I just feel justified to criticize a little. My critical spirit, as you know, can shine at times.

Dr Hal Habecker: 6:09

No comment here. Good.

Vicki Habecker: 6:12

After Bible study that morning, I felt God nudging me. Actually, it was more like a shove, and he wasn't gentle. Go find this homeless woman. Don't just give her money, but find out who she really is. Well, I argued with God on my way home. Are you serious? I'm supposed to do this in this weather? Well, I found her shivering in the cold. I parked, I walked across three lanes of traffic exiting George Bucha freeway, and the first miracle was the car stopped for me. I wonder if they kind of either thought, well, she's crazy, which I am, or if they saw maybe that was going over to approach this woman. Well, anyway, I walked up to her, tapped her on the shoulder, and said, Hi, I'm Vicky. What's your name, and she said, Anna, well, how you know when you put a name with a face, it adds value. Jesus writes our names in his book of life. She smiled at me, and she was no longer that gal on the streets with the blank stare she was now Anna. Well, I asked her if she could use an extra blanket for the night weather reports it was supposed to be, what, nine degrees, chance of snow flurries and freezing Lane rain. She smiled. She said, That would be so nice. So I told her I'd be back. I raced home. I gathered together two blankets, a warm cap, a scarf, gloves, and you remember this honey, a red rose, I do from the Valentine roses you had given me. You know God was just saying. I wonder if homeless women ever get flowers. Take her years. Well, I drove back to find her on her corner, and she was gone, like disappeared into thin air. I drove around the area again, kind of fussing at God, are you serious? You asked me to do this, and now you've taken away my project. And he quietly asked me, Vicki, is this truly about helping Anna, or is this about making you feel good about yourself and being able to tell your Bible study next week what you did? Ouch. And I thought, Okay, God, you can quit talking now. But he said more. He said, Did you really call Anna your project? Don't you know she's my child? She's not your project. Well, okay, that was another Ouch. So I drove back home, I pouted. I threw some stuff in the crock pot to make soup, because the weather was getting crazier by the minute. I pouted some more. And as you know, sweetheart, I can do a really good pout. I mean, it's a black tie affair. And then I said, Well, this is getting nowhere. I'm going back out in this weather and I'm going to find her. Well, she's still in there. But I asked a homeless man on a different corner if he knew a woman named Anna, and he said she was probably warming up in the McDonald's across the street. So I went in. I saw her, she saw me, and she said something that broke my heart.

Unknown: 9:35

She said, You really did come back. I

Vicki Habecker: 9:39

just wonder how many times she's been disappointed in people who promised to help. So I gave her the things I gathered. Think I gave her $20 so she could have something to eat at McDonald's. I mean, fine dining, a Big Mac. She said she could stay inside that McDonald's until about 10 o'clock, and then she would gather her world and. Go back to the spot where she sleeps outside of an auto garage every night that's her home. And do you know what her world consists of, a backpack, a bed roll, now, an extra blanket, necessities, a little food and whatever money was given her that day. And you know, if it's freezing outside, nobody's going to roll down their car window and give her anything. It was supposed to be 17 degrees that night. And you, and I don't know if you remember this, we watched The 10 O'Clock News, and the last thing the news said was about the homeless in Dallas, and they said, I wonder how many homeless might die tonight because of the cold. Oh, that's a good night. Night message. So if you remember, I couldn't sleep that night. I just kept asking, God, keep her alive. Don't let her freeze to death. So my critical spirit was kind of morphing into a compassionate spirit. Well, you and I found her the next morning, she was alive, shivering in the McDonald's with all of her possessions. First of all, I'm so impressed with this McDonald's, they will let the homeless come in to warm up or get out of bad weather, as long as they're not on drugs, they don't create drama, they don't smell, they give them a hot cup of coffee and occasionally some chicken nuggets. Now one thing I learned Anna's world, the Homeless World, it has to be taken with them wherever they go. If Anna leaves her belongings, she said they'll be stolen within an hour. So here she was in that McDonald's, drinking a hot cup of coffee, using the bathroom, and all of her world was in the booth with her. Well, I told her, I'm hungry, let's eat lunch. And she said, we'll just eat here. And I said, No, let's get out of this place. I said, What would you like? Pizza mix? And she said, Mexican food. I haven't had Mexican food in ages. So we loaded her world into my car, and we went to eat fajitas. And she told me her story. And I was born in West Virginia. She grew up in Georgia, in the system, as she called it, so many foster families all abusive in some way or another. She's one of 12 kids. She told me, two of her siblings died at birth. Two died in prison. Two are currently in prison, and she has no idea where the others are. She's 37 years old. She looks 67 and I guess that's what life and living on the street has done to her. She met her husband on the streets. She helped him conquer his alcohol addiction, and then about what did she say six months ago, he died in her arms from the seizure, and tears flow. We're eating fajitas, and tears are flowing down as she talked about Nate, and I'm giving him a name too. You know, homeless people have emotions, whether they're staring out in space there's their heart still beats. I never thought of that. My Compassion quotient was growing, and because of that, my critical quotient was being depleted. I don't think they can co exist, honey. And I actually, I told you this, actually learned what compassion means. Remember what I said,

Dr Hal Habecker: 13:40

suffering together. To suffer

Vicki Habecker: 13:43

together. Now, let that incubate in your mind for a little while. Colossians 312 says that we are to put on it's something we do. Put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, patience. Put on a heart that's willing to suffer with someone else. Is that applicable as senior adults, huh, like

Dr Hal Habecker: 14:12

so, applicable in our homes, applicable and street people in our churches, or

Vicki Habecker: 14:19

anybody different from us. The Mexican restaurants saw what was happening. They realized that I was helping this lady. They wrapped up all the leftovers and everything else, and now a heat wave had hit Dallas. I don't know if you remember that it was 13 degrees instead of nine degrees. Well, I asked her, just out of the clear blue, I said, Would you like to come spend the night at our house and be warm? And she said, Would you really do that? Well, I just felt led to offer without thinking of the what ifs. Would we be on The 10 O'Clock News Plano? Couple found murdered, and there. Bedroom. So I told her, I said, or quickly, we could go check you into a motel. She said, there's a motel on the corner of so and so and so and so and they help the homeless. So she had thought she was freezing the night before, so we gathered her five by five world checked her into a Motel Six. Remember they leave the light on, and at least for two nights, her world would be, what, 10 by 10, instead of five by five, and it would be warm. Well, I'm sure you remember this sweetheart on the way home, I ran over something in the road and I had a blow out. You should have heard my conversation with the Lord of the universe. Why can't you make this easy? Don't you see, I'm being your hands and feet. And I bet he just rolled his eyes and said, Oh, honey, hold on. The journey has just begun. Well, I was still ticked at him, and told him so about every five minutes. And I bet it really hurt his feelings. I bet he didn't sleep that night. Oh yeah, he never slumbers or sleeps. So I drove home on rim and flat tire. I called you at work, and you said, I can't talk. I'm in a meeting. Do you remember what I said to

Dr Hal Habecker: 16:15

you? You just said, I need you come on home. I said, get

Vicki Habecker: 16:19

out of that darn meeting and meet me at home. We have a very open and honest 49 year marriage, don't we? My car got towed, and I just kept saying, This is nuts. You can't make this step up. And listeners, next time you tell God you want to be his hands and feet to put a few parameters around it, like that would help. I slept that night because I knew Anna was in a warm and safe place, and the next day was work day at my house because I couldn't go anywhere, because I didn't have a car. Pardon me, we had an electrician, a painter, a plumber there. I made a casual remark to the plumber about trying to help this homeless woman? Well, Chris was his name. He stopped his plumbing and sat down on the floor in front of me and told me his story. He was homeless for years, and he also had a state vacation. I had never heard that term, but you know what it means. He was in jail. That was his state vacation. He told me how Jesus changed his life. Though he's now married, he has three kids, and he's a master plumber, and he gave me lots of insight into the homeless population and how they think and process life and listeners. Is not any thing like the way we do. I didn't have a car to go check on Anna the next morning, because, remember, I had that blow out helping Jesus, but I texted her, she has one of those Wi Fi phones. She was about to leave the motel take a bus. She had some bus money, and she was gonna go get some things that she needed, some essentials that she's homeless and she's 37 years old, and I got to thinking, what are the essentials that she needs? Probably not much, compared to us, who have it all. Does she ever wash her clothes? Did she need a shower? So I decided to post my Anna story on Facebook, and people started coming out of the woodwork, offering to help. But I reminded them, and I remind you, listener, this is not just pouring money into somebody's life. This is about I wanted to give Anna value and some guidance and some friendship. So instead of sending money to me to buy her food, I suggested to my friends, why don't you drive over to the motel and you take her somewhere to eat and get to know her well. That suggestion fell flat. Once again, I think people are scared to put ourselves out for strangers. Yes, we need to be wise, but we also need to be obedient. If God is prompting us to do something, Anna wants to get out of her hell hole. She wants a job, but she says, Now, listen to this. She said, nobody in that little area of where her corner is, we'll hire her, and there's some fast food places. There's a Walmart. Nobody will hire her because she's only known as just that woman who begs on the corner. And how would you like for that to be your identity? Is that her only significance? Well, I had no idea where this journey was going to go next. She had a safe and warm motel. But then what next? She's not on drugs. She doesn't drink. She smokes some which means she smells like cigarettes some of the time. She knows the Homeless World. Old so well that by looking at somebody's body language, one of these panhandlers, she can tell if they're clean or if they're on cocaine or heroin or meth. She told me about the homeless people you see standing on a corner with a dog that's not their dog. She said, if it was truly a homeless dog. The dog would be thin, you could see it's rib cage. She said, No, it's a scam. They share dogs. Somebody uses a dog that belongs to somebody else because you get more money given to you if you're standing there with an animal. Interesting. And she said, then at the end of the day, they give the dog to somebody else, or are they tied to a tree or a fence, and somebody else then gets it to use the next day? Well, I woke up the next morning and I'm like, Okay, Lord, now what? What can I do to encourage her? Should I take her to get her hair cut? I'd never seen her without a warm cap. Take her to the manicure and a pedicure. Well, that's so North Dallas. Go shopping to buy new clothes and wear them where stuff them in her duffel bag. Go buy some groceries to keep in the mini fridge at the Motel Six. I didn't know what to do, but I noticed as I picked her up, she was coughing, and I was afraid she was getting sick. So we ate lunch at a less than stellar place, and then we went to Walmart. We bought her medicine, toiletries, junk food, snacks, a second duffel bag. We just went up and down the aisles. And here's the crazy thing, that morning, somebody sent me $100 to use to help Anna. Guess what my bill was at Walmart? $100 101 wow. Why are we surprised how God supplies so we went back. We took all of her stuff back to the Mattel. We extended her stay another day. I did put on Facebook. If people wanted to help, they could Venmo me $5 $10 whatever. Promised I wouldn't take the money and go to the Caribbean. But with the Dallas weather, it was very tempting. People were incredible, and I used every penny to encourage her to move to the next thing God had for her, get off the streets, find her purpose. She thought she had to leave the motel the next day. And she said, I guess it's back to reality. And I said, No, you need to expect a new reality because of God's people. So I extended her stay at the motel a few more nights, thanks to a lot of people, even high school friends, house that I hadn't heard from in decades. Next day, we went to a salon. We got our hair cut, de tangled, washed. I had predicted it would be about a two hour ordeal when I saw her hair, and it was the sweetest thing, though, was when they started blow drying her hair, just the warmth in the dryer and the hum, she went to sleep in that salon chair. So I thought, Okay, tomorrow, we'll tackle next steps. She at least has clean hair and she can wash her clothes at the motel six. So we got back to the motel with her world of blown she headed up to her room, and for the first time, she did not say thank you. Well, my compassion quotient thought about returning toward the critical

Dr Hal Habecker: 23:45

happens quick.

Vicki Habecker: 23:48

I got a text later on from her little Wi Fi phone, and she thanked me profusely for all that's happened. Her heart was truly grateful. And how in that, like all of us, just sometimes we forget to say thank you. I forget to tell God how thankful I am. We take so much for granted in the blessings that God gives us, moment by moment, Anna doesn't take anything for granted. Well, I asked my Facebook friends to pray for my words and for Anna's heart to receive what I was going to say about taking the next step and in that how we should be with God. He's always speaking. We just don't hear, or sometimes we don't want to hear. And I thought that might have been what was going on with Anna. Told her I wanted to take her to lunch and talk about what's next. And she said, I don't know what that means. I said, you don't want to go back to sleeping on the streets and you can't live in a motel the rest of your life. And here's her response, I really don't have a choice to i. Well, that broke my heart, so now I'm back in compassion mode.

Dr Hal Habecker: 25:06

Well, it's a fascinating story. I know God's teaching you through all this, and he's not finished. So how does this wrap up? Where does it go?

Vicki Habecker: 25:18

Well, the next day, pardon me, I took Anna to lunch again, and she complained about the food. It ticked me off. Now I'm moving I was in critical, and then I went to compassionate, and now I'm in cynical mood. I dropped her off at the motel. I paid for another night, and I kept thinking, surely she'll say thank you today. She didn't yesterday, and so far she had today. So as I was leaving, I hollered at her, Anna, I love you. She looked at me and for the first time, said, I love you too. I got my car and I realized I would rather have her I love you

Unknown: 26:10

than a thank you.

Vicki Habecker: 26:12

Because I guess when Anna's standing on the corner and somebody gives her money, she might be used to saying thank you. But I wonder when was the last time somebody said to her, I love you, or she was able to say that back? Keep dropping hints that her answer to her issues can only be found in Jesus Christ. And she nods and agrees. But we have pretty shallow talks about Jesus, so I'm just taking it slow, but days coming soon when I'm spell it all out. One other thing, just a little aside, James, I got myself in this thing because it was teaching Bible study. James three, one says, Don't not many of you should become teachers, because you will be judged more strictly. Well, thanks, God. So listeners, if any of you love to teach the Bible, just beware. If you're not called to do it, don't do it, because it's going to take you places you never dreamed of. I never dreamed that would be helping a homeless person. So what am I learning? I like to hell, you know, I like to ask myself, what are you learning about God, and what are you learning about yourself? And you know, they say most of the biggest lessons in life are taught in the classroom of life. Well, I was getting weary of that classroom, I was like, Lord, just find a substitute teacher. Find me a good cheeseburger. And I told you I wanted to do this podcast, mainly so I could go back and listen to the details of the journey. Yes, it's Anna's journey, but it's also mine. It's yours. And anybody listening, it's yours too, because you're listening to this and you might be listening to what God's saying to you. I thought, hell, actually, this is your fault. Me, yes, you, you keep challenging everybody with finishing well, ministry and what we're supposed to do in our aging years. I'm very listening to you. I just need a nap so I can get ready for what tomorrow may bring. Because when you do something like this, it's there's no road map. You don't know what's happening. Well, remember the work we had done at our house? The plumber, the electrician, the painter, well, the electrical work that we had done. I got home and the lights weren't working. I went, you can't make this stuff up. And the young Hispanic guy that was painting, I got to talking to him. He's illegal, and I usually fuss about illegals coming in, but you know what? He's a hard worker. He's lovely. So I have a new friend. I have now. I have a homeless friend. I have a plumber friend. I have an illegal alien friend. I have a manager at McDonald's. Friend is your friendship quotient to full for different people. What was that movie that was out years ago?

Dr Hal Habecker: 29:35

Same kind of different as me.

Vicki Habecker: 29:38

We need to re watch it. Finishing my listeners be a friend of somebody that's different than you, at least find out their name. So I'm ready to give up. And then my cousin's daughter has a beautiful seamstress. She said, How about if I monogram? Them something now, remember, I'm in cynical mode right now, and she says, how about a monogram, something with Anna's name on it to make her feel beautiful? I bet she's never had anything with her name on it before. So now I'm moving back toward compassion. Do you see? What's the my I told you all I was going to share some ugly stuff. I've gone from critical to compassion back to critical to compassion, cynical. Well, I took her to lunch another time. It was kind of a stilted conversation. I was running out of questions. She complained that the meat loaf didn't taste like hers. Well, I made a snarky comment. I said, it doesn't taste like yours because it's not yours. Remember, you live on the streets.

Unknown: 30:57

It was not one of my finer moments.

Vicki Habecker: 31:01

It made me think Anna's just enjoyed being taken care of, but she has no desire to change. So here's what I posted on Facebook that night. I guess people need to want to change. You can't make them change this Anna saga has me shaking my head, and I told, God, I quit. You've got to find my replacement. I told people to stop sending me money on Venmo that unless Anna had a new mindset about the future and opportunities, nothing would change. Yes, she had clean hair, clean clothes, a little cash, but back on the streets tomorrow. And I told my friends, if I sound like a quitter, you're right. I'm sad, I'm mad, I'm confused. I'm wondering what we did too much of what we didn't do enough of, and Jesus, is just going to have to find new hands and feet, because this woman, Vicky hoppeker, is done. And that was my Facebook post. I call it my resignation prayer to Jesus. And that went over like a lead balloon. He told me, girl, I did this for about 33 years,

Unknown: 32:26

and the response I got was underwhelming, too, but I didn't quit. I did ask my father in the Garden of Gethsemane if we could change plans. And he said, No. So listeners, I have fessed up now you ask yourself,

Vicki Habecker: 32:53

are you critical towards someone different than you, and I'm not talking about just the homeless, somebody different than you, and why are you so critical? Are you compassionate towards someone that's different from you, and why? And what can you do about it, to suffer together? And do you easily get cynical if different people don't react the way you hoped for. So hell, I don't know what's next. I'm not sure I know that Anna was and still is a what I call a divine intervention in my life. And you and I are headed to California this week. We're gonna be gone for two weeks keeping our grandkids, and I'm already in worry mode, who's going to check on Anna? Who's going to check on my project?

Unknown: 33:50

Oh, I forgot she's not my project. She's God's child. And if I were a betting woman, I bet he's going to do a better job. Well, I'm gone, then I've done okay. I'm emotional. You talk

Dr Hal Habecker: 34:09

well, well, first of all, I want to thank you for sharing your story. I've watched it unfold in your life. I've had a front row seat, and I really applaud what God's doing in your life. It reminds me, you know our first essential is that God wants us to always keep growing, and that means always changing, because you don't grow without change. And God interrupted your life, your Bible study. Wait, I'm

Vicki Habecker: 34:42

gonna interrupt. But you know, I hate change. Well, I know I think most older people hate change. Change

Dr Hal Habecker: 34:49

is not easy. You gotta get up and keep going and learning something new, and that's the lesson for you and for all of us. Are we willing to change as God? Changes us as he changes our circumstances, as he changes maybe our bodies, as he changes others around us. Do we want to grow or do we want to become more isolated and more cynical or less compassionate in our own little world and sit and let let the rest of the world go by so, you know, my deal is, what does God want to do in your life? You know, Romans, 814, those who are led by the Spirit are the sons of God, the Lord led you to do something, and that's what he wants to do in all of our lives. What is he leading us to do? And some of it means we need to get up off our chair and get out and step by step in faith, trust God to lead us into areas we've not known. So I thank you for this. You've been an encouragement and a challenge to me a couple of simple questions, are we listening to God, or do we listen to ourselves all the time? Are we willing to change and grow? Are we willing for God to take us in new directions that will require faith? I love the way you've stepped out in faith responding to Anna. And we don't know where God will take her, how willing she'll be to change her life, but we know her now, and we're going to pray for her and encourage her and be what God wants us to be, and stay with her, right?

Vicki Habecker: 36:25

And when we get back from California, I know one thing we've had so many people suggest these different ministries, one of them is called our calling, and it designed to help homeless people find purpose, get off the streets. And somebody had suggested that that ministry to me, and I got online, and I looked it up. Once again, you can't make some of this stuff up. The guy that's the head of it, it's Dr, what's his name? He's a friend of mine. He's a friend, his friend of house. And then another guy that's on the board was the headmaster at the private Christian school where our kids went. I immediately got on the phone with him, and I said, Dave, what do I do next? And he said, I got you covered. We're gonna get Anna the help she needs. So I have a new mission when we get back from taking care of these four grandkids, if we're sane, wouldn't look at home?

Dr Hal Habecker: 37:27

Well, let's, let's keep trusting God together. Vicky, thanks for sharing your story, and I hope it's raised some questions in your mind as you've listened to her tell her story. And if God's working in your life, send us a note. How at finishing well, ministries.org, send us a note, an idea for the podcast, something you'd like to hear. But we're about telling stories and interviews of people who are doing something listening to God in their aging years, and ideas that God will use to motivate us to grow well and to be all that he calls us to be. So thanks Vicki, may the Lord bless us as we pursue him with Anna, and may the Lord bless you in whatever steps he wants you to take in enlarging your world and changing directions. May God bless you and encourage her. Thanks for your listening today. Pray for us, and we want to encourage you. God bless you. Thank you for listening to this finishing well podcast. We hope you were encouraged by today's conversation and living out your God given purpose. Subscribe to the show wherever you give your podcast, or you can find us at finishing well. Ministries.org, forward slash podcast. If you have a question, a comment or a suggestion or an idea, send a note to me how finishing well. Ministries.org check out our website and our vision to change the way we think about our aging season of life, go to finish you well ministries.org, and visit our website. We'll see you next time, and may the word bless and encourage you.