Episode S4E16: Friendship and Its Essential Qualities

Randy Marshall and Hal Habecker discuss the importance of friendship, particularly in the aging years. They emphasize humility, adversity, and empathy as key traits of true friendship. Randy shares an analogy about finding one's life's purpose through the support of five close friends and the realization that life is brief, with an average of 30,000 days. They highlight the role of encouragement and the need for older people to stay active and engaged. Randy's ministry at Watermark Church, focused on intergenerational mentoring, has seen 20 people sign up to mentor younger generations. They also touch on the spiritual aspects of friendship, including honesty, accountability, and forgiveness.

Transcript

Unknown: 0:02

ANNOUNCER today on the finishing well. Podcast, humility,

Randy Marshall: 0:07

adversity and empathy, those are the three marks of friendship over time, older people are the only ones that really know about all three of those.

Brian Davis: 0:18

Welcome to the finishing well. Podcast, where we encourage believers of every age to find meaningful ways to impact their world for the kingdom of God, our mission is to prepare and encourage every person to live well and to finish well. We pray this podcast will be a source of strength and encouragement as we seek to glorify Christ as we engage him in our aging years. Now here's your host for finishing well. Hal habecker,

Dr Hal Habecker: 0:44

good morning. I'm glad you're with us for the finishing well ministry podcast. Friendship is such a critical issue of our lives, and I'm here this morning again with Randy Marshall, a very dear friend. I mean, so it's appropriate that we talk about friendship, he has changed my life in terms of being a friend, and God has used us in each other's life. We did a friendship part one couple times ago. Go back and listen to it if you haven't, but we want to just address some new things in friendship. So welcome Randy. Thank

Randy Marshall: 1:18

you. Great to be here again. Thanks for having me. You know we are great friends. We've known each other probably too long, no too many secrets and all of that. So that's what friends are for. And I just want to thank you for your loyalty through the years. It's been an amazing journey with you as my pastor and now watching 10 years of growth with finishing well. And may I put a plug in for finishing? Well, dive in. Yeah. Well, you were one of the first fact. You were the first you weren't one of them. You were the alpha dog who came in to ministry that I now have the privilege of leading, called legacy at Watermark church. And we were a small nucleus, and you nurtured us and encouraged us and took us through the seven essentials, I think at the time, maybe in six, I'm not sure, but whatever it was, they were essential to our growth, and because of your encouragement, you began to talk to us about intergenerational ministry that the older people need to begin to pick up the pace with younger people. And watermark has a lot of young people, and so we just got finished, because of your initiation in our group and putting us up to speed your encouragement to do mentoring, we just had a seminar on that. We led that in house, and as a result of that, 20 people have signed up to mentor younger people. I love it. That is a phenomenal miracle. You know, usually the folks say, I don't know, I don't know what to say. I've been, haven't been to seminary and all that. Well, I'm gonna tell you, they picked up the ball. They've run with it. They're meeting now with family, with friends, with people that are grandkids. They're meeting with the younger generation and mentoring, and we owe you profound thanks for that.

Dr Hal Habecker: 3:26

Thank you. That's a whole other arena of friendship, multi generational friendships, which deserves a couple podcasts on its own, but we're going to talk about friendships in general, and there's so many avenues, so let's I wanted to drill down with what's on your heart this morning. What can we explore in friendships? Well,

Randy Marshall: 3:45

you know what? There's an analogy recently that just stuck with me. Sometimes you hear these stories and they're fleeting, but this one I can't get out of my mind, and it deals with the deep, what I would call covenant friends that all of us need to have, want to have, and are difficult to maintain, particularly my age 78 just turned 78 and people are moving away, or they're dying, and it's just difficult to do that, but I'm really wanting this analogy to come true in my own life. And the speaker said, basically, there are three things that life is all about. And I don't think he necessarily was deeply biblical about this, but he said, think in terms of a ball five and 30,000 I said, Okay, I'll think about that. A ball, a ball five and 30,000 Yes, sir, that's what he said. I'm intrigued. I am, too I was, and I'm so intrigued to it, he said. He said, You know, I had an old dog, and that dog was lazy, he said, except for the fact that when you rolled a ball to him, that dog would grab that ball in his mouth, would not let it go. It would growl at you every time you came. Close. And he said, Your life should consist of a true north. Let's call it one ball. It's your path, it's your identity in terms of what you do in life. And as Buffett said, and Gates said, How did you get here? And they said it was focus. He said, You need to have one thing. If it's a hub of the wheel, spokes that go out, it's the hub, everything spins off from that. I said, Okay, a ball. He said, But how do you find that ball? He said, It's the number five. He said, because everyone in your life that's very, very close to you that knows you well could be a family member, a coach, a pastor, a best buddy. Growing up, you should have five people in your circle of influence that will tell you honestly and directly by questions or background or where they've seen you thrive, where you've been successful, five people that will tell you what that ball is. You keep asking, you keep probing. And those are true friends that were talking about weaknesses and talked about strengths. Then he went to the third and he said, here's why friends are so important for you to determine what your one thing as curly said in city slickers, what is that one thing? He said, Well, you got to figure it out, but it's just one thing. And he said, the friends around you will tell you what that one thing is. Don't do this. This is what you ought to focus on, he said, and the reason that's so important is because of 30,000 so he opens it up, and he says, What in the world you think 30,000 is? I don't know. Tell me, I didn't know either. And I've asked people. He said, 30,000 are the number of days the average person lives. And I thought, ooh, life is brief. It's flying by. It's like a vapor. It's like sparks that fly upward, and it's gone. And suddenly, at my age, I don't have many of those days left. So it really motivated me to understand that life is short. I need to find the path that can go off into some tributaries. But it's the main thing I do gifted, wise, focus, wise, passion, wise. But it's the friends that link both of those together and without friends. He said, the biggest problem you have is the problem that Adam and Eve had Adam had it that's isolation, long before sin came into the world, he was isolated, and God said it's not good. So we all need friends to help us find our path in life and to be able to redeem the day and and do what counts.

Dr Hal Habecker: 7:55

So I love that, by the way, it's a good illustration. I need to find the author of that, and maybe it's in a study somewhere, or, I don't know, but it's really good. I'm

Randy Marshall: 8:06

sure he stole it. I'm stealing it.

Dr Hal Habecker: 8:09

So how does this play out? Let's talk about, I mean, God has used you in the last 10 years in an amazing way at your church with, you know, a sense of purpose for our aging years. And part of the challenge of aging is that you lose friends, or your friendship circle is diminished. You can't keep up with people or whatever. But at legacy, at watermark, how does that play out in life for you and for the impact of the church? Well,

Randy Marshall: 8:42

you know, I'm probably in denial when it comes to being crusty at 78 and obviously some of that's God DNA and all of that, I feel great. I have energy. A lot of people don't. I work out three times a week. A lot of people don't. So what's the point of that? The point is that I'm not gonna give up. I'm not out of pasture at all, and I feel as good as I did many years ago. That can't be true for everybody. So I don't think I can make a blanket statement here, but what that means to me is the best is yet to come. You say it all the time. Robert

Dr Hal Habecker: 9:18

Browning grow old along with me, the best is yet to be it's

Randy Marshall: 9:22

true, and it is. And so I don't think in terms of I'm old. I need to pour into this and do less of that. I get up every morning, honestly, with a list of things I've got to do. And I've got a group of people, you're one of them that continually motivates me to think bigger. You know, I still have sessions in which you have vision of, what should I do over the next three years? What should I do over the next one year? Of strategy, what should I do over the next three months? A plan to reach a three year and always thinking three years. Out. And you know what? It keeps me alive, keeps me vibrant. I mean in terms of thinking, I don't want to lose that edge. And you know when I go, I go. If I perish, I perish. But until then, I want to round third base heading for home, and slide in just under the tag. And and I do. And so that is contagious. And the point is, if older people, around 70, ish, that kind of thing, see me doing it, somehow it translates into, look, if I can be a role model in this, because I have the energy to do this, let me infuse the energy to you. So what I do is I meet with people and try to say, what is your vision? What is your bucket list? What do you really want to do? You know, they have a segment in Ukraine. They say, grandpa's over there, they read the paper and they walk the dog, but they say, You're not like that. And I said, No, I'm not like that, and I have four stage cancer, prostate cancer, and my doctor said, Well, I can tell you one thing, you're not going to wallow in it. He said, I have a lot of people that are whiners, and I don't judge that. This is her comment. She said, you're going to live a lot longer. Obviously she doesn't talk about the sovereignty of God, which I do have an appointment with death. I'm not going to live a minute longer, a minute less. But her point is, you're not going to be ripe with self pity. You're going to be out there on the cutting edge and on the front lines. I think that's absolutely true,

Dr Hal Habecker: 11:33

and I think that's what the Scriptures model for, is they teach it at every point.

Randy Marshall: 11:37

You do it, you do it. I don't think it should be just a remnant that does it, but I think people that demonstrate the fact that we're not out to pasture, let's go get them. I think we can still change the world. Well,

Dr Hal Habecker: 11:54

that's the vision of finishing well ministries, the millions of aging people out there, those of us who are haven't followed Jesus. Why wouldn't we keep doing that right up to the very end,

Randy Marshall: 12:05

exactly. And you know, the five people I want in my life, the circle, the five, number five, are those kind of people I want to hang around, people like you. I want to hang around people that have a vision for their life and they're not going to stay. You know, this is that I've done my job. My ticket is punched to go to heaven. I think there's just a lot more to do. And so you and I just talked downstairs before we on this podcast about missions and reaching the unreached people group and have a dream to touch other nations. You know, there are people now that say I'm so discouraged to have arthritis and all of that, I said, Look, your job this morning is to get your clothes on, and you have a tremendous victory. So I'm not saying everybody should be cookie cutter the same. I'm simply saying that if God has given you the strength and the resources to do that, go for it.

Dr Hal Habecker: 13:00

It's like J i Packer says in his little book, which I suggest every aging person ought to read, finishing our course with joy, he said, the last lap of our life, our bodily health, allowing us we ought to be sprinting down the straightaway with everything we have to the very end of the tape. So

Randy Marshall: 13:19

agree with that. I mean, if Jesus at the end of the finish line, come on. I mean, you know, it's only a six foot fall. If you're on a tightrope, it's not fall. He catches you, and at the end of the line, he hugs you. I mean, I mean, I really believe all that metaphor. And so I'm thinking, What have I got to lose? Nothing. I mean, you know, he'll take me. When he takes me, it's the old what is it? Hendrix. I think Howard Hendricks used to say this, and I think he probably everything good. We all steal it. But he said every person is immortal until his time. It's true. It's just true. So let's go for it. And I think friendship allows you to go for it. There's a study recently I read about a guy that he said, it's amazing if a friend is sitting in the room with you and you have your feet in ice water, you can last two times longer if a friend's just sitting there with you than if you did that alone. I think that's absolutely true. I can't agree more. Yeah. So friends, just cheer you on. So talk

Dr Hal Habecker: 14:24

to me about your philosophy of friendship and how it's played out in your ministry at the church.

Randy Marshall: 14:32

Yeah, I think the, I think the key to friendship is the whole idea of encouragement. I'm big on encouragement. The word encouragement means to put courage into somebody, and somebody needs to believe in you. So I'm looking all the time for things that they do well, exegeting their life. I'm looking for things to you know, any nincompoop can come off the street and tell you 10 things you're doing wrong, but it takes a perceptive person to tell you we're doing wrong. Right? And we just need to not be sin inspectors. We need to look for gifts and abilities. And you do that really well, and come on, join the team. And I think encouragement is the missing element today among the older people. And when you find that, it's like new wineskins, they really respond to that. So your loyal presence is very important through adversity, if you showing up is extremely important. That's what friends do. They show up when you're struggling, when you need a word of encouragement, they just show up 80 you know that old adage, 80% of life just showing up. It's probably higher than that. And again, I don't want to toot your horn too much, but as as my favorite pastor ever, your deal is you would just show up. And I remember one night somebody died in the church, and family that don't need to mention that, but you call he said, Marshall, let's go. So we went down there and we sat with the person that died, not died, the family member, yeah, and so but, but that taught me a great lesson. It wasn't like, okay, what are we going to say? What are we going to do? You just show up. And commitment is when your body shows up. That's what commitment is. So friends do that, and when they show up, they attempt to encourage other people. It's the missing element in our culture today. So

Dr Hal Habecker: 16:26

let's play it out in watermark in your ministry of legacy there. So you show up with this vision. You show up, right? I mean, that's you got to show up your church wanting to do something, and you had a vision for the aging segment of watermark, you show up and what? What next? Well,

Randy Marshall: 16:46

I gather leaders around me of like mindedness, and so we have a leadership team. Can't do it on your own, so I'm not isolated in that. And so I depend upon them. I give honor to them, which is a lost word in our culture too, but my attempt to encourage people on the team is nonstop. You're doing a great job. What would we do without you? And I mean it. And so we have people that have been assigned tasks. We have 11 on our leadership team, and each one of them has a task. We have a prayer person, we have an activities person. We have a music guy, social you know, I mean, they're our age, a lot of times they're lonely and they're bored. And so we have a lot of social outlets to invite other people. It's kind of our calling card to get them involved in legacy. Come on with us. Come on with us. And then we move much more in kind of a funnel approach to discipleship and mentoring as we continue on down the road of drawing people in. We started out with 30, we've got probably 80 to 100 now, and we're having a really good time,

Dr Hal Habecker: 17:59

but you've created a friendship circle amongst the people who care about this ministry. Our

Randy Marshall: 18:05

leadership team are best of friends. We spend time together. I have them in our home, and it's like your favorite verse, iron sharpens iron so another person sharpens another person. We spend time in sharpening each other and building each other up. We play games together. We have fun together. A ministry should be fun, and when we meet together, there should always be two objectives, either solve a need or solve a problem. But we have a lot of social meetings out of that where it's just fun and you're slowly impacting watermark. We are slowly impacting watermelon in the world. I'd say four, from what I know, four times this ministry has attempted to get get off the ground, and it's sputtered every single time. It's not easy to start a ministry with older people. It just isn't. So my hat's off to you trying to do that. It takes a champion. It takes a leader to do that, who wants to gather other people around and say, We can do this, we can do this. And I think part of my role is as a friend, is as a cheerleader. I just need to bring people along with me, be imitators of me, and I can go only so far, and then I've got to exercise a lot more as an Enneagram, eight more patience than I ever thought possible. I'm not a very patient person, but I've learned to bite my tongue, keep my mouth shut, and when the meetings go off in 10 different tributaries, well, you know my uncle John, you know he, you know he lived out there in Odessa, and he, I'm going, what was the point we were talking

Dr Hal Habecker: 19:42

about? But you know, it's just the way we are. Every one of us, well

Randy Marshall: 19:45

it does. And then the senior moments come and and you just, you know, but you know, I'll tell you one thing, you mess up among the the older people, you don't speak well, or you have a brain cramp or something. You. Don't care. They're loving you anyway. They're just glad people are around you. Yes, bring the food, give us some scripture and love on us, send us out the door. It's really true. It's really true. That's what God wants. It's not like you've lowered your expectations. You just understand the frailty of mankind.

Dr Hal Habecker: 20:19

So let's go this way. Why do people, and it seems to me, and lots of studies, friendships diminish as we age. Why is that?

Randy Marshall: 20:31

I think people literally leave town or they die. That's one thing, but I also think that it's easier to be introspective and feeling alone and not wanting to reach out as much, because it does take some energy to do that, but if you overcome initial inertia, and that's what we're trying to teach, people in our group, reach out, talk to somebody, rekindle old relationships, just give them a call out of the blue and see what happens. Our big deal at watermark in legacy is this, just ask God. We don't ask him. You call it prayer, okay, call it whatever, but we're talking among ourselves. I said, why don't we just pause and ask God what he thinks we inquire of God. And so here's the two questions we ask God, what do you want me to know and what do you want me to do? And it's amazing how he answers that question. And so we start every meeting off with that. Every time we gather together, what do you want me to know and what do you want me to do? And it is amazing people say, You know what he told me? I said, You know what you ought to do, that it's not against the Scripture. Do that. It's fun to just actually believe God is there, listens and wants to continually to use you. It's

Dr Hal Habecker: 21:54

like Paul in Philippians three. I want to know him, but I have a vision for what he has for me yet to do. Precisely

Randy Marshall: 22:01

Yeah, he does. And he's not done with any of us. He's not done. And boy, have we said that over and over again. You know, he's got great plans for you. You know that story, I'm not even, I don't even know for sure if it's apocryphal or real with wooden when he died, yes. And he had that long list and Bucha things he had to do the next day. And they were, they were in 10s and scores of things he wanted to do the next I mean, you know, die with your boots on.

Dr Hal Habecker: 22:31

Well, that's the point in looking at the writers of Scripture. How many of them were at their best at the end of their lives, right? You know, John writes revelation in his 90s. I mean, so I like to ask, What are you writing in your 90s? What came out of your friendships, of your life that you feel got something for you at the end of your life?

Randy Marshall: 22:52

That's right, you know, one of the things you do stay sharp as you continually read. We're in a room here with books all around us and you've given away. Last time I was here, you gave away boxes of books. Yeah, I find the people that are really on on edge and on point. They read. They still read. And they don't just read fantasies or romance novels. They read about how God can use you, and they read about aging, and they read. They read about what can you do and look and how to lament when you're older, there's an art to how you lament and and suffer as your body decays, fulfilling biblical prophecy Exactly. And there's a way to do that. And 50 of the Psalms talk about lamenting, but they're they're interested, they they're curious, and then maintain that edge of curiosity, they haven't given up. It's pretty simple. And so what we try to do, and we say this all the time in our in our group, you ask, what do we do in our group? My job is to light a fire under you, and then God's job is to light a fire in you. And I think it's the 100% man and 100% God, and I think are both needed.

Dr Hal Habecker: 24:09

Okay, I want to hear you thinking on something we talked about just a bit ago. You talked about the importance of showing up, right, physically, right, being there. But then you talked about the importance of your soul and your spirit. Talk a little bit more about that, because I think it's that's what friendship is really all

Randy Marshall: 24:27

about. Yeah, showing up is your body and your faithful presence in their lives. In the midst of adversity, you just flat show up. Secondly, it's the area of soul, or what I would call the heart. I think they're both the same in Scripture, it's the mind, it's your personality, and so it's the soul. And I think there we're talking about, how do you really encourage one another? We just mentioned that, encourage the heart, enlighten the heart. How do you do that? And so that's the part of it. But then in the spirit. But what does the spirit have to do with deep, deep friendships? Well, everything we talked earlier about true friendship comes out of the church, and it's true. The one anothering of the Scripture, friendship is a theme of the Bible all the way through believer to believer. Jonathan David all the way through. God started out as a family. God is a family, and the Triune God, and he wanted families, and he wanted to inhabit the earth as families. I

Dr Hal Habecker: 25:27

think of just a slighter injection. Abraham is a tremendous I'm going to build a nation through your family, for your family. That's right, when he didn't have a family, no, and there was no nation, no, but God's building something through your life and my life, through our family. And the impact is, who knows what the impact is? Well,

Randy Marshall: 25:53

I honestly believe that what remains, what is the sweet aroma, is the spiritual part of a relationship. And we talked earlier, and let me just briefly say, I think true friends are honest, and they are accountable to one another. I think they're honest. You know, the passage, the wounds of a friend bring healing, and the kisses of an enemy are treacherous. There are times you confront you've confronted me. I needed it. And there's times in which, even though that hopefully is temporary, it's a wake up call, and some people are slick because they have an agenda. True friends, aren't they just tell it like it is. So there's honesty and accountability that I think spurs on spiritual growth. It's the definition of maturity. Speak the truth in love. That's the definition of maturity to me. And so friends do that. They speak the truth in love. And then there is the other. It's and this is the peak of it. This is the peak If love is the name of the game in a proactive communication, the reactive communication of friendship is forgiveness and humility, and those are the trademarks of the true believer. Forgiveness means you carry it away. You do two things. If you really forgive somebody, you don't bring it up again, and you don't dwell on it. Those are the two things that forgiveness really means. And if you don't bring it up again verbally, and you don't dwell on it, God will take care of that, and there will be true forgiveness emotionally as well as literally asking for forgiveness. The passage that I love the most, probably, that deals with this is when Paul goes to the church of Ephesus, and he goes in Acts 20 how. And he's ministering to the elders there, and he said, I was serving the Lord. And he says it twice, and what I think he's saying is this is the way you serve the Lord well that gets your attention. He said, I came to you with all humility, through many tears and through the plots of the enemy that right there those that three legged stool is the mark of true friendship, humility, adversity and empathy, those are the three marks of friendship. Over time, older people are the only ones that really know about all three of those, because God has whacked you down to your knees in humility, Velveteen Rabbit stuff. Secondly, there's a sense in which, if you're old enough, you're going to cry tears. There's going to be inward or outward tears. What was it? McDonald said, Life is like an onion, you peel back the layers and you weep. It's true. And then the final thing there is adversity. Have you been through the waters of of the flood and the fire? And older people have experienced all three? And Paul is saying there, if you want to be friends with somebody, you be friend people. You identify with people. That's one way you serve the Lord. The next way is he said, and I serve the Lord by declaring the whole counsel of God through wherever we went, you share the truth. So that's what friends do. They identify with people. They befriend people, and they share the truth,

Dr Hal Habecker: 29:23

and they're there in your life continuing to do that, their

Randy Marshall: 29:27

faithful presence. And what's shocking about that passage is, at the end of that acts 20, it says they were grieving that they would see Paul no more, and they accompanied him to the ship, and they kissed him repeatedly. Now all of us want that kind of impact on each other, and I think it comes through the three qualities we just mentioned, humility, adversity and empathy, and then sharing the truth out of that relationship. I call it hospital and army. We're both a hospital to people and. Then we go forth together as an army.

Dr Hal Habecker: 30:03

Just a personal word here is we maybe think about wrapping this up. I don't how you may have survived. That's

Unknown: 30:09

fine. Well, both of us,

Dr Hal Habecker: 30:11

personally, yeah, are going through trials right now. We are physical trials, family trials. Vicki and I are going through an adversity we would not have anticipated. Then it's a crucible experience that we're going through, and you have to decide how you're going to really trust God, how you're going to really trust your friends, or whether you're going to internalize all this and hunker down without friends. In a sense, I don't want to do that. I mean, we need friends more now than ever. And as we age, we need friends more now than ever,

Randy Marshall: 30:48

a tendency, I think, for what both of us are going through, is to isolate ourselves, in one sense, and kind of lick our wounds, and, you know, focus on that becomes a little bit part of our identity and all of that stuff. And I think we really need to seek the Lord to rise above that. I think the principle is absolutely true that life comes out of death, the seed in the ground, the baby in the womb, Jesus in the tomb, everything comes out of death that's worthwhile. And there's a dying process for all of us, and I don't think you get any better unless light comes out of darkness. And I think dark times can't happen to faithful believers. And that's suffering produces something. The Bible talks about that. So yeah, neither one of us right now are strangers to a struggle. And yet, Greater is He in me than in the world. And I just happen to believe that. Remember Tony Evans when he lost, I think it's Esther, his wife, yes. And the day after, he met with his family up on stage, and that place was packed, yes. And I remember watching the video, and his son asked him, he said, Dad, how are you making it with the loss of mom and your partner for X number of years long time? And he said, Well, he said, I really do believe in what I've preached. And the whole place went nuts. And when Tim Keller pancreatic cancer, he had an interview at the in the Atlantic Monthly, I think, and he said, There comes a time in which you have to believe what you really have been saying to other people or not. It comes to that point, and you and I just happen to believe that what God says happens to be absolutely true. You can't be a little bit pregnant. He's either true in the scripture or he's not. So you either have to embrace that. And you know, we make a choice in that. So anyway, my philosophy, I'll close with this one. My philosophy. I've talked to my cancer, Doc. I said, Doc. I said, here's why I view this whole thing. I'm to be responsible. I'm to do what I can do. Then relax, because the future is fixed. He's set good work set before me. I said, I'm to do my part, be responsible, research, think it through, pray about that, and then relax. God's part is walking good work set before me. He's already done that, so I just keep trucking. I said, where my faith comes in is the word relax. I've been bought with a price. I'm not my own. Do with this body what he wants to and he evidently is so and will and will and, you know, dust to dust and all that. So anyway, thanks for having me. It's been great. I really appreciate you. I love you. You're a great friend. You know, one of my five.

Dr Hal Habecker: 34:02

If you turn around, you see a picture there in my wall, done by an artist friend of mine years ago. It's a picture of Jesus. We're following him, you know. And he is the one who chose the men around him, and he wants to be our friend, and he wants to instill His life in us through the power of the Holy Spirit, to finish well, every day of our lives there is an end time coming, but we're not there yet. So let's press on and encourage each other and finish well.

Unknown: 34:36

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